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posted by [personal profile] sevenhelz at 07:15pm on 15/05/2011
Go here: http://www.tubaquartet.com/vivavoce.html and listen to the sample of Benediction, and you may understand why I'm buying euph quartet CDs.

On the other hand, it could be more complicated than that. Today I texted about a dozen people, saying simply, Opinion poll: would you think I was crazy if I joined up as an engineer instead of a musician?

...half expecting people to say yes, that's crazy, your skills are better suited to music and also, you love it, it is your lifeblood, why would you want to do anything else?
I should've known better. One musician said something like this. One. My friends are a supportive bunch, most of whom helped talk it out.

Some were confused; "I did think you mostly wanted into the forces because of the music, but I guess it's grown on you overall?"

- I get asked a lot about why I'm joining. About how I feel about the nasty things I might have to do, or whether it frightens me that I might get injured. The easy way out is to say, oh, but I'll be a musician. They never see battle. The closest we'd get to the front is as far back as our bases reach, playing some music for the folks who're off-duty in the safe area. In really hard times, we might be called on to drive ambulances, or hose down people in decontamination centres. -this is the answer most of my family got, and anyone I felt like being flippant with or didn't have the energy to truly take on.

The real answer? I have immense respect for everyone in the forces. It took getting involved in the TA for me to realise how much a part of our lives these services are, and to meet a few squaddies and get to know how they work*. They're not a monolith; they're not all amazing. But what's struck me is the level-headed approach to issues. I can't count the times I've seen someone in a flap, talking to Damo, and he listens seriously, nods a few times, says he'll sort it, and sorts it. That's a good NCO for you. A guy who doesn't care for your drama. I love that attitude. We'll get pissed and argue, but when it counts we'll get the job done. That's essentially how I've always approached banding; there's a time for banter and a time for packing all the kit down and counting the music stands. So I love the army attitude, get your admin done, and you can play as hard as is sensible given you're up at 0600. As far as the nastiness goes, I'm not actually a nice person. My baseline anger is fairly damn high. A couple of years ago I looked at the army, and I looked at people involved in the kink scene, and I looked at domestic violence, and I realised there're an awful lot of people in the world who have violent urges. Some know how to direct them sensibly and consensually. Some are absolute fucktards. Others have their anger directed for them (and it turns out there are books devoted to the theory of artificially heightened aggression and how forces bullshit can take the edge off this and allow people who've seen and done really nasty shit to not be like that all the time). I may not always agree with how politicians use the army, but I don't think it's the army's fault. It's basically an organisation full of individuals, many of whom are very interesting well-rounded beings whom I would like to get to know, who occasionally in the line of duty have to kill people or get injured themselves. If I'm to be part of that organisation, it seems only fair to be running those risks myself, and I like to feel useful, and frankly, I have very little time for musicians who would genuinely rather leave the service than transfer to another trade. You're army for goodness' sake!

*It also took being recruited into the TA for me to realise that the army would have me (my eyesight is terrible!) and it has been a massive! learning curve since.

On another point, joining the engineers is not a new idea that's suddenly floated into my head; at one point it looked like there was No Room At the Inn for euphonium players, or even trombonists, so I'd've had to learn saxophone or some other daft instrument. It's not that I don't want to play other instruments, but if I'm going to have a career in music, I'd like it to begin with my first love. If not, might as well do something Entirely different, rather than something that everyone thinks is the same but is actually different in ALL THE BAD WAYS.

What *is* a new concept to me is that, like, I can get into the army. I mean, I was pretty shocked to get into the TA, but now I've passed my medical for the Regulars, I can actually join properly. And they will train me as stuff, if I want. Even if I want to be a musician they will send me to Kneller Hall for a bit so we can get a feel for one another (and I can learn to come to attention with the left foot, thankyousomuch BSM for teaching me for a year and a half that it was the right). It's just relatively recently that I've worked out and checked into the idea that they will happily train me up as other stuff. Even being repeatedly asked if I wouldn't rather be an officer didn't get it through to me, because I wouldn't rather be an officer. I think officers should know something about the jobs their staff do, and all I know about is music, and you can't go straight to officer rank in the corps of music, and anyway I don't want to lead people until I've had a chance to check that I can do that. The army promotes people gradually, with training to get them thinking on the next level instead of still focussing on the detail work when they should be mid-level management ie translator between big-picture people and little-detail people, and etc when they move further up the chain. I like that. I like that there are rules and support. I would like to be properly army. More and more I feel like musicians aren't properly army, at least unless they've done something else like be PTI or staff instructor, and while I could do those, I would have to be a musician for a bit first, and I would continue to feel like a fraud during that time.

In entirely other news, I might look into accounting at some point. It's another thing I've (scarily) realised I might be interested in.




I often use the rhetoric of relationships to talk about music, about banding, and about the army. I noted this to two of the friends I occasionally polywibble at, and got two interesting responses.

"Some relationships need changes to keep them fresh, some you have to walk away from for your own sanity. Sometimes you manage to stay friends with your former lovers." - so zie's reading me as needing to be away from the negative aspects of my relationship with music in the forces. I trust hir judgement not because I think zie knows me inside out, but in terms of what I've been saying to hir, zie has a clearer perspective.

and: "I think it's probably an apt rhetoric. Just reading your messages the jealousy issues [which I had said I need to work through before making a decision] looms fairly large so I'm inclined to agree about how important it is to figuring this out. That might be why [engineer]ing would be good if it means you can play music without having to deal with the politics and stress of being a professional musician."

More on this:

I don't get jealous much. Not in relationships, certainly. My theory is that if you're getting enough of something, it makes no sense to worry where the rest is going - ie, if you're talking enough with your partner, seeing them as much as you want to, getting enough kisses and cuddles and reassurance and fun, why would you be uptight about them spending time with someone else that way? I figure jealousy is about feeling that there's a finite amount of something and you need to make sure you get your share. I don't believe there's a finite amount of love in the world. I don't believe there's a finite amount of music either; unfortunately there is a finite amount of stage space. I get jealous of other musicians who are in the limelight, and of some singers. It's not about ability - I'm actually more likely to be resentfuljealous if I think someone performing (ie relatively successful, usually paid for at least some of their work) is not as good as I could be (were I in practice*). This is one of the reasons I left singing behind. I couldn't stand the singers who were up their own arses, whose technique was crap but who wouldn't hear a word of advice even from teachers. I couldn't stand the politics of singing soprano, or the fact that often in choirs I'd get stuck singing alto - physically uncomfortable for me - simply because I could actually hold a harmony line**. I still struggle, sometimes, when I see someone onstage, like that godawful Cpl at Kneller Hall a couple of years ago murdering Fields of Gold, to sit back and either enjoy the performance or at worst, sit quietly without making faces; I struggle not to judge technique, not to think like a performance student and measure them against my inner singer. I don't struggle as much with musicians, usually, because if they're good I want to join in, and if they're poor I can blank them out, or at least find interest in their "unique style". I'm not jealous of just any musician who happens to be on a stage, because I'm still performing fairly regularly, and being reminded of the difficulties and peculiarities of banding life every time. I do currently get jealous of musicians who are joining the Forces, who are having their passing out parades and joining good bands***, because I'm not getting what I need in those terms myself; I worry that, if I take up engineering as a career, my jealousy will increase.****

*obviously this applies more to singing, but one of the reasons I felt crap today is that at last night's gig I was really struggling to play two different parts - a skill I had in abundance 18mths ago and have evidently backpedalled on, along with having no bloody lip i had no concentration
**Note to any singers reading this: if you can't read an inner part, you suck.
***Or maybe who are playing more complicated solos than I'm being given, because I'm actually kind of bored of playing Carrickfergus, a year and a half on
****Bloody long paragraph for one point, wasn't it? Terrible writing, this. Don't know why you're reading it.



It's not like I'd be unhappy as a musician. Probably. If I researched my bands, made sure to meet some of them and try to get into rehearsals so at least the players (often not the oblivious conductors) can get to hear me, make use of the open offer our DoM has made to help us by talking to his contacts etc, I could end up in one of the four or five bands whose musical standards might just keep me interested. Even if the marching band and mess gigs don't do it for me, the good bands have lots of smaller ensembles, so lots of vehicles for expression; plus, I've missed being surrounded by musicians, with all the potential for random mashups there is there. What first attracted me to regular army life was the routine, the fresh air and fitness, the regular meals, and the chance of making a decent living alongside making pretty pretty noises to make audiences smile. That hasn't changed; I'm just widening my scope, having a look to see if I could do the stage part in my free time so that the stress of earning a living is no longer mixed in with my love of music. Hell, it's not like I say goodbye to music forever; although they''d make me jump through hoops, it is possible to transfer from one trade to another.

So, in this rapidly changing world, this could be a good time to grab some practical skills. Although I've little experience with engineering, I know from bumbling about at All Brass and Woodwind that I do enjoy repairing things. I've always loved people who can fix stuff, and I would like to be able to do that myself.

Today I was feeling negative in a lot of ways. A lot of it I think is guilt. Guilt at having invested so much time and energy of my own, and money of my family's (I have a very, very good euphonium) into something I don't seem to want to make a go of? More guilt, at not being in practice at the moment, at not having found something that motivates me to play, even though I love it, even though I'm more me when I play. Perhaps some shame at my feeling that I'm running away from the aspects of musicianship I feel are tough - the interpersonal relationships, mostly.* Wariness that I'm not falling into my old trap of fearing that I won't be able to do something, and not putting the effort in that would make it worthwhile because this way if I fail, hey, it's not like I was really trying, right?
...that last one's a pretty killer argument for me. I really do try to face the stuff that's hard or nervewracking, I consider it an important part of my self. I think the difference here is that I'm not nervous that I wouldn't be a good enough player. I'm nervous that I'd not work hard enough at the unseen stuff, the making contacts and the getting my sound heard and so forth... and I'm almost making a decision not to do that, because it's hard.. is that a valid decision... of course it is but is it the right decision... this is where my reasoning founders!

*"running away from something difficult is fine if  what you're running to is better for you"

...also,
"You seem to be erring on the side of tech, especially if you see the main benefit of music as being wellbeing, and the main disadvantage being potential lack of wellbeing. Naturally it's never that simple, would being a tech leave you time for any musical outlet or not?"
-yep, that's the question.


..I haven't fully come to a conclusion, but you can see which way I'm leaning. Many of my friends are thinking in terms of employability*, which is an entirely sensible approach which I should probably take on board. I'm thinking in terms of happiness, with a side order of having a roof over my head.
*or essentially saying, your job won't change my view of you, which whilst not entirely point-related is nice to know.




I had an Idea that made me happy this afternoon. There's a recording studio in St Helens which is very cheap. I think I would like to record some euphonium music. Of course, mostly this will be music I know from university, but I suspect I could come up with some interesting things all the same. It will be just for me. And the people involved. And my family. And anyone else who really wants to hear it.

So I've wound up buying euphonium quartet CDs after listening to a gorgeous sample of a piece that's been stuck in my head about a year and a half; planning to make a CD of my own; and researching engineering jobs. Hmmmmm.
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posted by (anonymous) at 11:32pm on 15/05/2011
If i knew that i was going to possibly be picked for this lovely piece i may of said something more constructive.
but apologies... ive never been gud at doing a deep and meaningful life choice moment via text.
for better results- coffee or call x
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posted by [personal profile] sevenhelz at 10:12pm on 16/05/2011
I'm not sure who you are, but coffee is always good, if we are in the same county?
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posted by [personal profile] lightcastle at 03:37am on 16/05/2011
That's a lot to unpack there.


These things are relationships, especially situations like band or army, so you using that language doesn't surprise me. For the record, I fall on the "whatever you do won't change my opinion of you".

As far as the "I won't do the bit that's hard".. yeah, but even doing that guarantees you nothing. So I'm not sure that should be a deal breaker one way or the other.

I'm not someone to give you advice on this, as I decided to be practical and employable, ended up broke and miserable anyway.

It doesn't actually surprise me that the army is more to you than just music. It always seemed that way to me, so it really seems as much to depend on whether you want that as part of your life or not.

I, for one, would be interested in hearing your euphonium music CD.

(I'm also surprised I am surprised you looked into the kink scene.)
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posted by [personal profile] sevenhelz at 10:07pm on 16/05/2011
(I'm also surprised I am surprised you looked into the kink scene.)

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

amongst others, my boxing instructor has decided i must be kinky because i enjoy stretching. (it's a joke! no really! he's not hoping i'll come out with something intensely inappropriate!)
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posted by [personal profile] lightcastle at 02:01am on 17/05/2011
*smile*

Like I said, I am not sure why I was surprised, but for some reason I was.

The stretching thing... odd.
I like stretching.
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posted by [personal profile] sevenhelz at 11:04am on 17/05/2011
To clarify, I said I looked at it. I also said I looked at DV. Pray don't assume I got heavily involved in either ;)

I should really address the rest of your comment. Maybe later.
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posted by [personal profile] lightcastle at 02:12pm on 17/05/2011
*smile*

I'll pray then.
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posted by [personal profile] sevenhelz at 11:06am on 17/05/2011
I like your note about deal breakers. That's useful.

The original question was never really about whether people's opinions of me would change - it was more like, knowing me as well (or as little) as you do, how do you think this would work out? Hence why i appreciated views from people in all sorts of situations, from musicians who've known me through uni and saw how obsessed I was, to people who don't play music themselves and can't fully relate to the passion (unless by referring to something that works for them the same way, which most aren't good at)...

yeah.
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posted by [personal profile] mr_magicfingers at 07:50am on 16/05/2011
I know it's very difficult to ignore the things that others thing would be good for you but I spent years following an academic path which ultimately I was never going to excel at before realising that working with my hands was far more rewarding. I've changed jobs several times and next year I'm looking once more at going to take some training that may lead to yet another new career using my hands, one I've been interested in since I was a teenager.

Ultimately, you have to follow your heart. There's an old saying 'Do what you love'. Life is far too short to get a long way through and realise you've not been happy. I don't know if that helps, but it should probably be quite high up your thought processes.

I think you're doing pretty well at this right now.

Hugs.x
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posted by [personal profile] sevenhelz at 10:10pm on 16/05/2011
a year ago i was certain that being a musician, in pretty much any army band (though i was confident i'd wind up somewhere good) would make me happy.

whether i've changed dramatically, or i'm just more aware that the world is changing, or i'm simply afraid of the research and work that needs to be done to make sure i get into a band that will make me happy, i'm really not sure.

i suspect maybe the second. also, i'm remembering having worked fixing instruments, and thinking, i could be happy doing this.
...i'm looking into doing an "insight course" with the engineers to see if that happiness extends to "bigger" engineering as my dad puts it. i kind of hope so, even if or perhaps partly because it will be two fingers up to those who want me to be an "asset" to a band.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 10:39pm on 16/05/2011
The thing about the music as career...what sort of rep will they do? Will you be stuck playing the same pieces for however long you stay in? Because if you end up having to play the Army equivalent of Kum Ba Yah for seven years, you might be less keen, and you might be disillusioned with the whole Army because of your disillusionment over the music. Advantage of starting something new is that new challenge is generally interesting anyway, and if it doesn't work out they'd probably be understanding if you swapped to music, because you'd be able to say that engineering wasn't for you.

On retraining - it's scary to start something so new and so different. I did AS level science in 2001 and hadn't touched it since then, not properly. But I'd come to the conclusion that I missed it, that I'd taken the English as far as I wanted to for now. It's not abandoning my first degree, it's just that at this point in my life, putting that on the back burner and going for something else that will, touch wood, set me up for a fascinating and fulfilling career was the right thing to do. Assuming that they're not charging a million pounds for it by then, I may go back and do an Eng Lit masters when I retire.

Liz
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posted by [personal profile] sevenhelz at 11:09pm on 16/05/2011
:) yes, this.

The repertoire can vary. The better a band you're in, the more varied ensembles there are to choose from, from big band to brass quintet to pop groups and etc. I've played marches and army standards for two years now. I've played the same damn solo for about a year and a half, because our band can't afford to buy any more decent pieces for me. I've been disillusioned with the band at various points and that nearly led me to give up on entering the Regs. But I love my boys (C Coy, 4yorks, based at the same TAC as us) and assumed that elsewhere I'd find more people with their attitudes.

Yes, I could transfer after a while. And I think if I plan to do that, it probably makes more sense to do engineering first, than consider switching to that after building some kind of career in music. Music's my long term love, and whether I play pro or amateur, I won't ever stop being a musician at heart.

Retraining is both scary and exciting. I have very little background in engineering, but what I have done a bit of - fixing instruments - taught me that I like working with my hands, I like being able to make things work right, and I could be happy doing that for the rest of my life. Whether this applies entirely to the Army version of the job is what I need to find out. Also, when someone asked me what I *wanted* to do my instinctive answer was "fix things". This may or may not be important.

It's not abandoning my first degree/first love. There will always be music around me. I think perhaps I've taken my euphonium playing as far as I want to for now - except that, just in case, I'd like to have a record of it. I plan to make a CD, and even if that doesn't come off right or takes longer than I'd like, the plan makes me happy. I may even have found the motivation to practise, for this, in a way I've been missing for a long time.

I think you get this better than anyone else I've talked to, not just because you've made a similar decision, but because you seem to get that music is my passion - it doesn't matter how many times I explain that to someone whose passion is not their work, they don't grok how music can take over your life, make you want to do nothing else for vast stretches of time. As useful as everyone's been as sounding boards and giving their own opinion of what might make me happy, often I've felt they're missing an essential piece of the puzzle.

Basically, thanks.
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posted by [personal profile] lightcastle at 02:16pm on 17/05/2011
People who have passions like that are not the norm. It's not better or worse (although most who have those passions, especially when they are self-destructive, don't want to hear that), they are just what they are.

Even people whose passions can be paid work often don't get to make a living at them, of course.

Retraining is both scary and exciting, and best done young. The world (at least North America) is very much against you ever doing it once you're further along unless you are rich.

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